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Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter Subject: alt.recovery.clutter FAQ Sender: dsgood@visi.com Summary: Describes newsgroup alt.recovery.clutter, and other resources. Posting-Frequency: monthly Archive-name: alt-recovery/clutter Last-modified: 1999/08/26 Version: 7.06 From: dsgood@visi.com (Dan Goodman) Message-ID: <6JXy3.1317$ok4.135288@ptah.visi.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:23:14 GMT alt.recovery.clutter is a place where people who have cluttering as a problem can discuss methods of dealing with it, share Experience, Strength and Hope, recommend books on decluttering (and ways to keep them from becoming part of the clutter) and get contact information for self-help groups. alt.recovery.clutter is not affiliated with any organization, nor does it speak for any organization. You may want to also try one or more of these email lists: Decluttr@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU. Very active. To subscribe, send message to listserv@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU: Subscribe Decluttr Your Name. Put this in the body of the message (the Listserv software ignores subject headings), and don't put anything else in the message (this includes your signature). Note: "Decluttr" with one e. A couple of quieter web-based mailing lists at the Messies Home on the Web: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3337. (Or go to http://ww.onelist.com.) One with a Christian emphasis, one general. ClutterersAnonymous@onelist.com (not affiliated with Clutterers Anonymous) Send any message to ClutterersAnonymous-subscribe@onelist.com MessiesAnonymous@onelist.com (not affiliated with Messies Anonymous) Send any message to MessiesAnonymous-subscribe@onelist.com H/C (Hoarding/Clutter) Contact Paula Kotakis - disi@igc.org. For "Hoarders and/or Clutterers with OCD [Obsessive Compulsive Disorder], a basic knowledge of CBT and a strong desire to improve their living spaces" Q: What is clutter? A: "Clutter is anything we don't need, want, or use that takes our time, energy or space, and destroys our serenity. It can be outgrown clothes, obsolete paper....We may be selective in some areas, but not in others. Objects may be strewn about or wedged into drawers; neatly stacked or stowed in storage." The Twelve Steps of Clutterers Anonymous, CLA WSO Literature Committee, approved February 1996. Q: Is cluttering a real problem? A: Anything that can get you evicted, get your children taken away from you, keep you from inviting people into your home, get you charged more by retailers and the tax authorities because you can't find the paperwork needed to pay them on time, is a real problem. Q: Does cluttering go together with ___? A: Clutterers are more likely to have one of these: clinical depression, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. But none of these invariably goes together with cluttering; and cluttering doesn't invariably go together with any of them. Organizations for clutterers If there's an organization or local meeting not listed here which you think should be, please let me know. I'm also interested in people's experiences with groups. Where a phone number is given, please call first to make sure the meeting is still at the time and place given. Clutterers Anonymous World Service Organization is at PO Box 25884, Santa Ana, CA 92799-5884. For information, send a long first class self-addressed envelope with twice the minimum first-class postage. (Nothing said about writing from outside the US for information. You should be able to use International Reply Coupons, but I don't know how many would be needed. My guess is 2 from Canada or Mexico, 4 from elsewhere.) Note: Phone numbers given only for CLA meetings which have okayed having them on the Net. California: Los Angeles. Tuesday, 12:15-1 pm, City Hall East Rm. 1330, 200 N. Main St. North Hollywood. Tuesday, 7:30-9 pm. Temple Beth Hillel Rm. M16, 12326 Riverside Dr. Orange. Saturday, 4:30-6 pm. Mariposa Women's Ctr., 812 Town and Country Rd. Orange. Thursday, 6-7:15 pm. Mariposa Women's Ctr., 812 Town and Country Rd. Altadena, Tuesday, 7:30-9 pm. St. Elizabeth Church, 1849 N. Lake Ave., 2nd Fl, Parish Ctr. San Diego. Saturday, 8-9:30 pm. J.Beers Uptown Comm. Ctr., Vermont at Vermont Way Simi Valley. Wednesday, 7:30-9 pm, Simi Valley Presbyterian Church, 4832 Cochran, room 210. South Bay. Thursday, 7-8:30 pm, Margaret Mary Church, Conference Rm. B 25511 Eshelman, Lomita. South Bay. Friday, 9:15-10:45 am, Margaret Mary Church, Conference Rm. B, 25511 Eshelman, Lomita. West Los Angeles. Sunday. 1-2 pm. Palms Park, 2950 Overland Ave. West Los Angeles. Monday. 6:30-7:30 pm. Felicia Mahood Sen. Ctr., Room 3, 11338 Santa Monica Blvd. West Los Angeles. Co-ed self study. Friday, 7:30-9 pm. SHARE Ctr, Tranquility Rm. 5521 Grosvenor District of Columbia (Washington): Friday. 7:30-8:30 pm. St. Albans Episc. Church, Room 203, Wisconsin & Massachusetts NW. Massachusetts: Beverly. Tuesday. 7:1530 (sic) -8:30 pm. Beverly Hospital, Herrick St., Doctor's Dining Room Michigan: Southfield. Thursday, 8:30-10 pm. Peace Lutheran Church, 17029 W. 13 Mile Rd. Minnesota: Roseville, 1st & 3rd Saturdays, 10 AM, Patsy, 651-644-1139, St. Christopher's Church, room 128, 2300 Hamline Ave. (Hwy. 36 & Hamline) St. Louis Park, Second Saturday 12:15-1:15. Patsy, 651-644-1139, Prince of Peace Lutheran Church, 8115 Highway 7, Hwy 7 & Texas Ave., across from Knollwood Mall. New Jersey: East Orange Monday 7:30 pm-9:00 pm 439 Main Street, Second Floor, next to Domino's River Edge Wednesday 7:30 pm-9:00 pm Temple Sholom, 385 Howland Ave Union Monday 7:30 pm-8:30 pm Battle Hill Moravian Church, 777 Liberty Ave Washington: Seattle Monday 10 am St. Paul's, 6512 - 12th Ave NW Ruth 763-8398 Messies Anonymous: 5025 SW 114th Ave., Miami, FL 33165. 1-800-MESS AWAY Quarterly newsletter $5 per year -- sample newsletter free. Internet: info@messies.com. Website: http://www.messies.com [Note: This is definitely outdated, except where a meeting has sent me information directly. Call first!] CT: Farmington, Janibeth, (860) 232-3838 Greenwich, Judy, (203) 637-7509 New Haven, Le 203-483-0355 FL: Ft. Lauderdale, Karen, (954) 970-1429 Miami, Maxine, (305) 522-1976 MI: Muskegon, Kathleen, (616) 744-9209 Muskegon, Kathy, (616) 744-9209 (!?!) NJ: Lindenwold, Sharon, (908) 566-9146 Palmyra, Basia, (609) 829-9596 NY: Forest Hills, Marie, (718) 746-4713 OR: Portland, Carla, (503) 775-2606 OR: Portland, Lee, (503) 235-3977 TX: Dallas, Texas Messies Anonymous. Meetings are the 2nd and 4th Mondays of the month. Meeting place: Highland Park Presbyterian Church 3821 University Blvd. Dallas, Texas. Room H110 7:00-8:30 pm. Contact: Jane K. at (214) 368-7205 or Dorothy P. at 972-495-1950 Dorothy P. email: dspool@hotmail.com In addition to our 2nd and 4th Monday evening meetings we are pleased to announce that beginning Monday, August 16, 1999 meetings will also be held on the 1st and 3rd Mondays at NOON. Same place, same room. WA: Aberdeen, Evelyn, (360) 533-1813 Greater Seattle Area: [I'm told the contact number is disconnected.] "We have an active MA group here (the Greater Seattle area)..... Our meetings are the 1st and 3rd Tues of the month. Our contact phone number is: [Sue at] 206-824-2728." WI: Brown Deer, Jeanne, (414) 354-3577 Eau Claire, Dixie, (715) 834-7763 "If you write to the address for the newsletter and include your city and state, you will receive a list of others in the area who have asked for the same information OR the name and number of the person who has organized such a group--if there is one. You will also receive as much information and support as you might need if you want to start your own group." Bonnie Rice Change: You can now ask from the website. Passed on by Lori Burkart 'A Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group has been formed in San Francisco and meets twice a month (2nd and 4th Mondays, 3-4 p.m.) 'The flyer reads: "For Mental Health Consumers who have too much stuff and want help, the San Francisco Mental Health Association's Consumer Housing Group presents a Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group" '"Twice a month, starting Nov. 1997: 2nd Mondays .... 4th Mondays at Canon Kip, 705 Natoma (@ 8th St.) '"[note: the Association is responding to the problem of evictions due to Hoarding problems]"' alt.recovery.clutter (BRADFORDMC) Sun Jan 18 1998 "I saw the original post of the San Francisco....group meetings and attended my first meeting at the Madrid Hotel. Due to parking restrictions and space considerations in that area the plan for the 2nd Monday in February is to meet @ the Canon Kip location, 705 Natoma@8th Street (S.F.) I find the support mutual and encouraging. I encourage anyone interested in the area to attend. I also am interested in the possibility of starting a meeting in the east bay. One other person at the meeting lives in Berkeley. Due to a vision problem, it would be much easier to attend meetings closer to home. Anyone else interested?" Informal: Minnesota; around St. Louis Park/Edina/Golden Valley -- someone who can't currently get to the CLA meetings would like to meet informally. Call Zola at (612) 921-4917. Useful Books, etc. Sandra Felton. THE MESSIES MANUAL: The Procrastinator's Guide to Good Housekeeping THE MESSIES SUPERGUIDE: Strategies and Ideas for Conquering Catastrophic Living. MEDITATIONS FOR MESSIES Alcoholics Anonymous TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS Don Aslett: Clutter's Last Stand, Not For Pack Rats Only, How do I Clean the Moosehead? Stephanie Culp: How to Organize, How to Simplify Your Life Young and Jones, Sidetracked Home Executives (Warner 1981) Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters Catch-up on the Kitchen (Warner 1983) Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters' Happiness File (Warner 1985) Young and Jones, Get Your Act Together (Harper Collins 1993). (....) SHE and GYAT can usually be found at large chain bookstores or Christian bookstores (these are not "Christian" publications, per se). The sisters themselves peddle a variety of SHE items.... Address is: Sidetracked Home Executives, Inc. P. O. Box 5364 Vancouver, WA 98668 [360] 696-4091 http//www.shesintouch.com "Confessions of an Organized Homemaker" by Deniece Schofield. (Publisher: Betterway Books, Cincinnati OH. The cover lists it at 10.99US, 15.99CAN, 7.99UK). "Lighten Up! Free Yourself From Clutter," by Michelle Passoff, Harper Collins Publishers, 1998. ISBN 0-06-095265-2. Wed, 25 Feb 1998 MRS BONNIE J RICE <BUSI99F@PRODIGY.COM> Home Organization Booklist Online Dan, It's official, I've moved my website to http://getolife.hypermart.net and am hoping to provide more interactivity with the new site. I'm working on making the site more helpful. Any ideas would be appreciated. I just finished reorganizing my home organization book list into categories instead of by author. If you are looking for the perfect book on meal-planning or paper handling or clutter control, you can actually go to that section of the list. Many of the books can be ordered through Amazon directly from the list and some of the authors have websites of their own that are linked to the list. http://getolife.hypermart.net/booklist.html [2/99] ... anyone who has taken the home organization class and wants to join a support community on excite (you need to join excite which might be a hassle to some) please let me know and I'll send you an invitation that will get you in. It's a closed community so we won't have spam or other inappropriate things there. Fri, 23 Jan 1998 ttista cleaning tools I follow Don Aslett's book Is There Life After Housework. You can get his catalog 1-800-451-2402. I use his mop, it's called a scrubbee doo. really. He explains how to use the right cleaning tools, and cleaning products. [new: http://www.cleanreport.com/] Fri, 27 Feb 1998 Stella Sloop SHE Online... For those of you who have been wondering what in the world the SHE Online thing is all about, and for those who may have been too late to take advantage of it this past time, here's hope: from the Get O message board of AOL Re: March Is Clean Sweep Month! (Get O CEO) 27 Feb 1998 'Kim asks if the Delphi service (new home of SHE's Online and 21 Days to SHE) is another service like AOL. 'Kim, yes and no. Yes, you can get Internet access through Delphi. No, it's not necessary to have a paid account to visit Custom Forum 222, the Get Organized Board, on the World Wide Web: http://www.delphi.com/mc When it asks "Go to Forum by Number", type in 222. 'All you do is sign up for a FREE membership at the log in page. Don't worry, you can't miss it. Pick a username and a password. and you're up and running. 'In format, Delphi is pretty nice. Messages are threaded, and easy to read and to post. There's no length limitation like the Slob Sisters Online message board. And since blessed Delphi permits me to retain copyright, it's JUST the place to post the 21 Days essays--don't miss out!...' http//www.organizedhome.com Sat, 11 April 1998 Mycala W Shaulis Kitchen Web Link http://www.123sortit.com/toc.html It covers not just the kitchen, but virtually every room in the house. Sat, 11 April 1998 Josie Morgan Financial Info: What to Keep I ran across this link while working on our taxes today: http://www.quicken.com/saving/frugal/ It is an article by Jane Bryant Quinn on how to organize financial records --it covers what to keep, how long to keep it, and logical ways to organize it. Wed, 27 May 1998 OrganizeWize Now that I'm getting more content to my pages I was wondering if you would add Organize Wize to your FAQ. I have added a printable form that helps for setting goals called Daily Active Enforcement (DAE) Goal page and info on how to get started decluttering (or achieving any goal) called "Charting the course". Nita in MT FREE Ezine, online signup Organize Wize: http://organizewize.hypermart.net Thu, 18 June 1998 Balance Check DECLUTTR: change of site address - balance check - FAQ Home page: http://members.aol.com/balanceck/ DeCluttr FAQ: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_clutter.html DeCluttr FAQ - SHORT: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_short_decluttr.html Clutter Books: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/books/clutter_books.htm Clutter Links: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/Links/ links_categories_clutter.html#clutter Sun, 26 July 1998 Jeannie Weeks <jweeks@wecosoft.com> [...] Chore Genie is a shareware application that helps to schedule your household chores, includes a menu-builder and a to-do list.... We offer tips and worksheets for getting started, which can be viewed on our web site at http://www.wecosoft.com/tips.html.... We even have an email loop anyone can join by sending me a request to GenieMail@wecosoft.com. The email loop has tips for using the program as well as general topics for staying motivated, getting started and anything else that is on topic. Anyone is welcome to join! Jeannie Weeks Wecosoft http://www.wecosoft.com ICQ#2837260 Chore Genie on AOL Sun, 18 Oct 1998 The Roberts Family I'm pleased to announce that I've added 3 pages on decluttering to my web site (all decked up in fall colors). More will be forthcoming, of course: http://www.pongo.com/~webpages/andy alt.recovery.clutter "SaraB" Web Site Thu Mar 18 1999 http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/ This is the website by Julie Morgenstern (duh...) of Organizing from the Inside Out. Just found it last night. I especially liked her "challenge" section. alt.recovery.clutter "Terry Voss" Neat Link! Tue Mar 23 1999 Online Organizing Expo: http://www.organizedtimes.com/expo2.htm Just found it myself, so I'll be exploring. Looks good, though. Mon, 28 Jun 1999 Katrina Ancel organizing Link Thought I'd pass this one along..it is the Professional Organizer Web Ring...tons of info on getting organized at the home site, plus since it's a ring they link to other sites on the topic.. http://www.organizerswebring.com/ Fri, 9 Jul 1999 Katrina Ancel Free Organizing Guideend from Julie Morgenstern Get a free guide on the ten most common pitfalls when organizing and how to avoid them..from TaskMasters the company owned by Julie Morgenstern author of "Organizing from the Inside Out" http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/task_masters_history.html alt.recovery.clutter From: naomiy [1] Found a neat web site! (Pun intended) Date: Thu Aug 19 1999 Check out: http://www.organizedhome.com./ A bit advanced for some of us maybe, but there are lots of good resources here! -- Dan Goodman dsgood@visi.com http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
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